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Other evidence to be heard Saturday.

How good is the DNA evidence.

Patrizia Stefanoni to justify the methods and evidence, Raffaele's team to dispute it.

Corriere Dell'Umbria


Perhaps Nicki could explain the "peaks" and "Rfu".

Nowo wrote:Any hint as to what that hold might be (apart from perhaps the certain knowledge on her part that RS struck the killing blow) and can whatever it is be used to her advantage in court?

Ultimately..... The truth or something near it. backed up by an explanation for the scene as found by the police.
Better to be found guilty as some kind of accessory than the actual murderer.

It's interesting that it is actually Raffaele's team who are so hotly disputing Meredith's DNA on the knife.

No, I never did see any detail of the scenarios the prosecution put forward but I believe they relate to the events which could have happened in Meredith's room. The struggle etc. How the violence played out to leave the remaining evidence as it did.

nicki wrote:...the other Italian blogs discussing the murder of Meredith -a couple are still active- are surely NOT pro-suspects, which could explain the ridicoulous attempts of "someone" trying to show support from the Italian blogosphere by writing anti-prosecutor and xenophobic, google- translated posts in "Italian".Talk about desperation...

Indeed, Nicki, while it may be that Italian cameramen find Amanda attractive (or not), from what I've seen the Italian media in general doesn't have a very positive view of her. This headline is from last week's hearing:

ICE-COLD AMANDA

Not even a glance between Knox and Meredith's family in the courtroom for the first hearing.

Betty wrote:

I have no clue about new threads or new boards - so could someone pm me if/when there is a change?
Meredith is not forgotten. She will not fade away. Her spirit now is stronger than it has ever been; reaching out and touching the lives of millions of people. Nothing can stop it. Biased boards, demented posters, lying suspects; Meredith is strong - she may not have been able to fight off her attackers that night - but she will prevail now.
I've got your back, girlfriend.

Don't worry, Betty. We have a lounge thread, created by Michael some time ago for "chat" and OT stuff. Rob's idea works well with that, I think.

I think a rumor got started off-board a while ago and has developed long and strong legs. There is no new board, no need for one and no plans for one.

Meredith is lucky (if that is the right word) you have her back. We're lucky to have you here.

With regard to the most recent John Follain Timesonline article ("Amanda Knox, 'Foxy Knoxy', reveals her lesbian trauma"), last week La Nazione had these comments about the document in question. There might be a nuance or two (like the date of Nov.7) which adds to our understanding. The article goes over Amanda naming Patrick, then sitting down in prison to write many notes, to reveal a another truth ...

(fast and dirty translation)
... "INCLUDING the one that emerges from a handwritten note confiscated by the prison police on November 7, the day after being arrested. It tells of remaining with Raffaele, all night. [According to this note] while Mez was being murdered, the boyfriend told her about his dead mother. "We talked about his mother, about how she died and about how he felt guilty because he left her alone before she died. He told me that before her death she had told him that she wanted to die because she felt alone and had nothing for which to live ... This was a very long conversation, but it happened and it must have happened while Meredith was being killed. So, just to clarify, this is what happened. "

Original: "TRA CUI quella che emerge da uno scritto consegnato alla polizia penitenziaria il 7 novembre, il giorno dopo essere stata arrestata. Quando dice di essere rimasta con Raffaele, tutta la notte. Mentre Mez veniva assassinata, il fidanzato le avrebbe parlato della madre morta. "Abbiamo parlato di sua madre, di come lei fosse morta e di come lui si sentisse colpevole perché l’ha lasciata sola prima che morisse. Lui mi ha detto che prima di morire lei gli aveva detto che voleva morire, perché si sentiva sola e non aveva niente per cui vivere... E’ stata una conversazione molto lunga ma è avvenuta e deve essere avvenuta mentre Meredith veniva uccisa. Così, proprio per chiarire, questo è ciòche è accaduto".

Brian wrote:

It's interesting that it is actually Raffaele's team who are so hotly disputing Meredith's DNA on the knife.

Also, Raffaele and his dad were the first to concoct the explanation that didn't fly--i.e., that Raffaele must have accidentally pricked Meredith while they were cooking together.

At the same time, while AK's lawyers have not been disputing it (in public, at least), her support team certainly continues to do so, based on Joe Tacopina's original claim.

And remember, Curt Knox said in the third local television interview with KOMO that in his opinion, if evidence was the sole basis AK would be cleared immediately. He added that he did not think things would play out this way though.

the boyfriends dna on his own knife, where is it? did they test all the knifes there? how many did not have his dna on them?

why is the boyfriends dna not on his own knife that has the dna of the big a and Meredith?

the bleaching of the knife dont cut it for me...i dont even think it belonged to the boyfriend or his flat.


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Kermit wrote:

With regard to the most recent John Follain Timesonline article ("Amanda Knox, 'Foxy Knoxy', reveals her lesbian trauma"), last week La Nazione had these comments about the document in question. There might be a nuance or two (like the date of Nov.7) which adds to our understanding. The article goes over Amanda naming Patrick, then sitting down in prison to write many notes, to reveal a another truth ...

So is it fair to say that in all likelihood this two-page note was written on November 7 and confiscated at that time? Or was it (a) confiscated later on, for example with the diary or (b) voluntarily submitted by AK to police (this was my understanding) on or around Nov 7?

If it is true that Raffaele felt responsible for his mother's suicide, this is as important psychologically as Rudy's motherless child status.

skeptical bystander wrote:So is it fair to say that in all likelihood this two-page note was written on November 7 and confiscated at that time? Or was it (a) confiscated later on, for example with the diary or (b) voluntarily submitted by AK to police (this was my understanding) on or around Nov 7?

If it is true that Raffaele felt responsible for his mother's suicide, this is as important psychologically as Rudy's motherless child status.

"uno scritto consegnato alla polizia penitenziaria il 7 novembre": a handwritten note handed over to prison police on November 7

Upon entering prison on the morning of the 6th, in addition to the basic checkup and the basic visit from the prison psychologist, I'm sure Amanda would have simply fallen asleep after the all-nighter the night before.

On the afternoon of the 6th, she wrote her "spontaneous" document which more or less repeats what was stated in the two night-time statements (adding an element of doubt). That was "spontaneously" offered / shoved into the prison guards' hands.

Between that document and the next day (the 7th), she would have written the 2-page "deep conversation about life's choices" document. And it was turned over to guards, as an alibi-padding document.

(EDIT: "consegnato" is not "confiscated" but "turned over".

i propose that we get rid of the role of moderator and only retain an administrator for the odd case where intervention is called forand the members appeal for action.

in the haloscan days everything was ok until the mellas/goofy troll activity rendered the format moribund.

the threat of such disruption is gone. we are not children and do not need 'directing' or 'moderating'. sorry michael we dont need coyotewaits medals of distinction or rankings or someone repeatedly tweaking the layout of the board.

skep you stopped the sweatshirt thread with the pompous line 'This is not a side topic worthy of its own thread and just messes the board up.' kermit just brought it up again but missed out the fact the big a had the green sweatshirt and bluesweatshirt. i prepared quotes from the old haloscan about this but backed away in the face of such off-hand rejection.

michael when asked, in deference to his powerfulness, to crate a thread for the cook and the sexy one throws it back in the face of those that ask. but when the powerful ones dont like a thread they just 'lock it' to stop 'messing the board up'.

bollocks. leave it alone and just back off for the good of us all - yourselves included. haloscan worked great and needed little intervention.


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Rob wrote:

skep you stopped the sweatshirt thread with the pompous line 'This is not a side topic worthy of its own thread and just messes the board up.' kermit just brought it up again but missed out the fact the big a had the green sweatshirt and bluesweatshirt. i prepared quotes from the old haloscan about this but backed away in the face of such off-hand rejection.

Sorry about that, Rob. I don't even remember it, but it must have had a context. In any case, if I was pompous and dismissive in your view, then I apologize.

As for a non-moderated board with a remote administrator, why not? In that case, you or someone needs to contact Steve Huff and make sure he has no objection. I doubt he will. Just one thing: I don't want to be administrator if this option is adopted. So someone else would have to volunteer for that. I'm happy to resume life as a poster, but I don't feel like doing all of the work that would be required to make such a change.

Maybe you could organize a vote about this, since it concerns the entire board. Just a thought.

Kermit wrote:There might be a nuance or two (like the date of Nov.7) which adds to our understanding. The article goes over Amanda naming Patrick, then sitting down in prison to write many notes, to reveal a another truth ...

That's what I've been trying to get across amongst all the noise.

This statement by Amanda isn't new. It's just new to the public.

Combined with her insistance from the same time that Raffaele is lying.......

It was the date of this statement which started me off on the whole exercise on which I've spent the last two days.

Brian wrote:

That's what I've been trying to get across amongst all the noise.
This statement by Amanda isn't new. It's just new to the public.
Combined with her insistence from the same time that Raffaele is lying.......

I hope you can hear this! Three things strike me about this statement: (1) how it begins (I swear this is true), (2) how it ends (this conversation must have taken place as Meredith was being murdered), and (3) how free of drug and/or torture induced confusion and visions it is. But I'm not sure what to make of these things.

skeptical bystander wrote:Brian wrote:

That's what I've been trying to get across amongst all the noise.
This statement by Amanda isn't new. It's just new to the public.
Combined with her insistence from the same time that Raffaele is lying.......

I hope you can hear this! Three things strike me about this statement: (1) how it begins (I swear this is true), (2) how it ends (this conversation must have taken place as Meredith was being murdered), and (3) how free of drug and/or torture induced confusion and visions it is. But I'm not sure what to make of these things.

I can image a couple of persons who have been drinking too much having (trying to have) a deep conversation about right/wrong, the great decisions of life, solitude, bullying, suffering, guilt, etc.

But in the case of a couple of persons who are stoned on hash or marijuana, the conversation would crumble into giggles and the munchies before the first minute was out.

Maybe they had such a conversation (I see Amanda's statement pushed into the prison guards hands as a Nudge-Nudge-Wink-Wink to Raffaele). But it was probably a week beforehand (it couldn't have been more that two weeks as they would not yet have met)

sorry skep your reply is hogswash to me. there was no reason to close the sweatshirt thread and as seeing most people would have to search to find it (including yourself today porbably) it hardly messes up the board but closing it messes up the information being collected in one place that relates to the subject matter - in this case the sweatshirt questions.

someone is making money off the advertising on this site just like the other two. who is it? i dont know.

any questions i have over the trial of those accused of killing Meredith will be answered in the widley published media. frank and his 'scoops' have been shown to be nothing more than a wizard of oz show. there is nothing behind the screen there.

i do not like sophistry and will not subject myself to it here any longer. my 'hits' and micropayments for accessing this board will slip into oblivion from here on in for whomever has been pocketing.


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Sollecito in my opinion is a murderous mouse.
A slimeball.
What sort of personality carries a concealed knife on their person at all times?
If the "lesbian" conversation did actually occur, he sure has mommy issues.

I have thought for a long time that Knox struck the fatal blow from the front while she was initiating the situation/attack and shouting instructions to Sollecito and Guede to have sex with Meredith, in her ultimate humiliation and sexual fantasy with regards to her. This is what I believe was the driving force behind this madness and indeed a motive, for the people out there who maintain there isn't a motive.

Sometimes I'm not so sure, as the horrible little slimeball seems to have been awfully quiet since the start of this in relation to the other two.

Brian and The Machine are convinced it is he who struck the fatal blow and there really is nothing out there to suggest he never.
The bloodstain on the bed in the shape of the knife I think occurred when it was temporarily put down to move the body, why the body was moved is a mystery to me but could have been too close to the window.
Regarding the "lesbian" conversation, it is amazing how clear and vivid Knox is regarding this conversation.
She remembers where they where, what they were doing, what they in detail were talking about and even had a concept of time as she offers that during this conversation was when Meredith was probably murdered.
Not bad for someone so confused she couldn't remember where she was, what she did and what time it was that she couldn't remember anything.

This "lesbian" story has as far as I am concerned, been fabricated and inserted into the equation by her legal and PR team, as a device to counter her notorious sex mad maneating image.
Why would people think her a lesbian if she was known to be girl of easy virtue with any man she came into contact with?
The line being here of course was that she was so dull and boring and had no boyfriends whatsoever - so much so that because of the lack of male friends in her life made her peers think she was a lesbian.
This so called "lesbian" conversation is total fabrication, it never happened.

Isn't there another meeting on the 26th?

I can answer these questions.

How this board is organized:

Who is the Administrator?
Steve Huff and me are co-administrators.

When did the Administrator make a co-admisinstrator, and why?
Steve Huff made me co-administrator when it was necessary to ban Goofy and Chris Mellas. He had long since moved on to other projects, and could not administer with respect to these matters because he was not following the board.

How does this affect the role of co-moderators?
This has no effect whatsoever on the role of co-moderators. If you read the board rules that I wrote, that Steve Huff approved and that got no comments whatsoever from posters, you'll see what the respective roles of administrators and moderators are.

Who decides on the rules?
See above. The rules were written by me in response to the first problems with O8 and Charlie working in tandem to disrupt the board. They were enthusiastically approved by Steve, who said they were fair and complete. If people feel we need more or different rules, all they have to do is put it to the board and organize a vote, I suppose.

Who has the power to ask posters to use PMs instead of offer views?
Look at the rules. They contain guidelines about how to use PMs. But since there are few restrictions on what can be said, anyone can ask another poster to use a PM, and any poster can refuse to do so or decide to do so. Most people decide how they want to use PMs, probably based to some extent on the written guidelines for using them. I would never think to legislate on this matter. It's like asking who has the power to speak. I would say, however, that one of the roles of moderators and PMs is to get people to resolve problems that are really between them (clash of personalities) in private. I asked Soozie and O8 to do this when the level of invective got really ugly. HAd this board been a fight club, there would have been blood.

How do we go about talking about our FORM, not our CONTENT?

I think there are threads set up for that already. Take a look at the list and if it is lacking, suggest that one be set up.

Who decides what happens to the 'content' of our MB?
I have no idea what this means. Nothing happens to the content of the MB; it just is.
As far as I am concerned, the content of this MB is not one thing but thousands of things. Each of those things belongs to the person who brought it to the board. Maybe I am wrong about this. I'm not a lawyer. But it just isn't an issue for me. What I have written here all these months belongs to Meredith.


Skep (co-Moderator, co-Administrator and poster)

Jumpy wrote:

Isn't there another meeting on the 26th?

Yes, that's Friday. And I believe Rudy Guede's fast-track trial starts the same day.

Rob wrote:

Someone is making money off the advertising on this site just like the other two. who is it? i dont know.

I assume it is whoever makes this free forum available. It is free probably because those running it get paid via the advertising. Steve Huff may be able to tell you. But I am sure he makes no money from it. He chose it because it was free.

I'm sorry you felt my reply was hogwash. I don't remember the sweatshirt thing at all and will take a look when I can.

I mistakenly created a new topic that was completely unnecessary so if Michael or Skep wouldn't mind either moving it here where it belonged or even deleting the damn thing entirely, that's cool, too.

Jesus-tap-dancing-Christ.

Fly by Night wrote: ... she's still going to have to explain why her cell phone was pinged out on the street shortly before she turned it off...apparently only Amanda's cell was pinged on the street.

FBN, do you happen to know if the cell phone was pinged (one tower) or was it triangulated (three towers)?

If just pinged, it could have been anywhere in a pretty wide area.

Corinna, here's your post. I just copied it from where you put it and pasted it here.


I don't know about anyone else, but I haven't paid a damn thing since I've been here and nobody has asked me for anything (which is a damn good thing since I was born ravishing instead of loaded) There is a way to turn off all the adverts anyone may be seeing on here (can't remember who told me how to do it but I think it was Michael). Nobody ever asked me for any money here or over on Haloscan either.

I don't know what the hell has happened here or why it matters if Fast Pete wanted to make a board as long as he asks people before using anything they might have worked on or contributed. If wanting justice for Meredith Kercher and her family has come down to some kind of contest, that is nearly as disgusting as pro-suspect sites being the first thing anyone comes across when they google Meredith's name.

Divide and conquer; that technique has a strange way of working almost every damn time.


~~~I edit this to say that I have no damn idea how this got made into a new topic instead of added to the *Main Discussion* where I meant to post it.~~~~

I like Corrina's post.


Now can we talk about what Amanda and Rudy will wear on Friday?

I'm thinking she she go for the Fundamentalist-look a la French Braid with pretty ribbons, and some type of collared sweater and skirt. Heeled shoes would finish this ensemble quite well in case she feels the urge to tap her feet along to the music playing in her head.

Green is a pretty color but has connotations of money. Rudy should switch the green sweater out for a shirt and tie, but not too flashy.

Not sure that Lover Boy Sollecito will make an appearance until he drops a few more pounds.

From Sunday Times
AK note 6th nov.
“It was a very long conversation but it happened and it must have happened while Meredith was being killed.”

How can she offer this conversation as what was happening when Meredith was being killed?

She is not supposed to know anything about the killing, time of death and so on. In fact the immediate days after and for quite sometime pathologist put the time of death between midnight and 2am.

Wether they had this conversation or not does not matter, it does not help her/their alibi. She/they still had plenty of time to kill Meredith 22.00 - 23.00 hrs., and then have this conversation if that is what they want.

Probably another conversation took place as well regarding what to do to stage the crime scene and then headed back to the cottage in the middle of the night-am with mop in hand and start the cleaning.

skeptical bystander wrote:Rob wrote:

Someone is making money off the advertising on this site just like the other two. who is it? i dont know.

I assume it is whoever makes this free forum available. It is free probably because those running it get paid via the advertising. Steve Huff may be able to tell you. But I am sure he makes no money from it. He chose it because it was free.

Yeah freeforums is a business, which was created last year. Ads represent the sole revenue stream. Here's one review of the business model.

I smiled when Michael suggested a way to turn off the ads here. Way to get sent to the back of the line, just when you need an emergency reload!

I kinda like the mechanics of this forum but there are better. You can buy a URL and a 1-year contract for some robust hoster space for less than $100, and load some open-source forum software, and have full control over everything. (Ads too if you want 'em!)

You get what you pay for...

Jumpy, whatever Amanda does, she better stick with the white and keep the collar HIGH...

Brian S. wrote:Maybe I should add that what I speculate the suspects will say at trial and the real truth are not necessarily the same thing.

However, I do believe Amanda has a hold over Raffaele and my personal opinion is that it was he who inflicted the death wound.

You've expressed this belief before without really explaining why you believe it was Raffaele that inflicted the fatal wound. I'm interested in hearing why you believe this. Rudy in his last witness clearly suggests that it was Raffaele who killed Meredith. However, the police believe it was Amanda who killed Meredith and I think they're right. The knife found at Raffaele's apartment must have been the murder weapon and it has Amanda's DNA on the handle and Meredith's DNA on the blade and that was after they had scrubbed the knife with bleach. Imagine how much of Meredith's DNA would have been on the blade if it hadn't been cleaned with bleach. The knife also left an outline of blood on the bedsheet which shows that the knife was covered in blood and probably not used to inflict the two lesser wounds on Meredith's neck.

I believe Amanda has a hold of Raffaele too otherwise he would have come clean from the beginning, but I think it's not because he killed Meredith but because he suggested and planned the sexual assault, torture and murder of Meredith and played an active role: forcing Meredith to undress at knife point, cutting her bra with his knife, holding her while Rudy sexually assaulted her and possibly causing the two lesser wounds on the neck.

I take Amanda's nervous fit at the police station when she started hitting herself violently on the head as evidence that she was freaked out from thinking about what she had done. Maybe, we'll never know who inflicted the fatal wound, but it's clear that both of them played very active roles which stops either of them pointing the finger at each other.

rob wrote:bollocks. leave it alone and just back off for the good of us all - yourselves included. haloscan worked great and needed little intervention.

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Hear bloody hear!! We don't need permission to start a thread. And we don't need to be admonished and told to apologise just because the content of our posts doesn't please certain people. So long as the post refrains from personal attack (and mine did) - then I agree, leave us alone. It is the intervention of the moderators that is beginning to cause the problems - not the posts themselves.

Jumpy,

This time she should have the sporty look maybe a football/soccer shirt and don't forget the Hiking Shoes.

This way people would understand once and for all why she called herself "Foxy Knoxy"

Come hell or high water, Raffaele plans to attend the next hearing on Friday. So says his lawyer.

http://lanazione.ilsole24ore.com/perugi ... aula.shtml

Also all this pillow talk supposedly between Raf and Amanda the night of the murder. I doubt it happened while Meredith was being murdered. Whether it happened or not shows Raffaele in bad light. The fact that he suffered because of his mom’s suicide humanizes him. However all this extra talk about drugs, alcohol, depression, and his manlihood raises unnecessary questions. And then it’s not a big stretch to imagine that he needed to show his manliness one way or another. It also raises questions as to why Amanda is bringing in these sexual issues when the Amanda crowd doesn’t want to talk about sex. I believe cooler heads in the Amanda team quickly tried to play down the idea this would be used in the defense strategy. Unless somebody out there is throwing raspberry’s at all of us, trying to create a tabloid story, but I doubt it. Amanda’s lawyer’s called it an invention, that it would be used in the defense. They didn’t say that Amanda didn’t say these things. If she wrote these things, if anything it shows just how flaky Amanda can be, and that she’s a risk to her own defense team along with the Raffaele team.

Jools: Agreed with your observation.

Sorry TM when I posted that you and Brian were convinced Sollecito inflicted the fatal wound, I was thinking of someone else.
I don't think anyone has noticed my post anyway.

DF2K wrote:

Sorry TM when I posted that you and Brian were convinced Sollecito inflicted the fatal wound, I was thinking of someone else.
I don't think anyone has noticed my post anyway.

I did and was trying to work it out! No worries.

Being a football fan all my life and still football mad (I've been to 3 premier league games so far this season) I have never in my entire experience heard of a footballer with the nickname "Foxy".
Foxy Best?
Foxy Gascoigne?
Foxy Charlton?
Foxy Cruyft?
Foxy Pele?
Foxy Maradonna?
Foxy Beckham?
Anyone?

If the Knox lawyers were smart they'd attach an electric shock collar under her clothes to keep her in control when Raffaele comes dashing into the courtroom!

Jumpy wrote:

Now can we talk about what Amanda and Rudy will wear on Friday?

I am sure it will be noted, photographed and analyzed by one and all. As a nod to the brief stint in Germany, she may opt for lederhosen, a crisp blouse (white), and sensible shoes. On the other hand, maybe the style team doesn't want to risk calling attention to the brief stint in Germany.

I don't think it takes much working out thanks Skep.

Regarding Amanda's next outing on the perpwalk/catwalk I think she will wear pigtails with yellow ribbons, like Anne of Green Gables with red hair and freckles.

The Machine wrote:Maybe, we'll never know who inflicted the fatal wound, but it's clear that both of them played very active roles which stops either of them pointing the finger at each other.

I'm with you on Knox, Machine, but if they ever actually get on the stand (for which I hope, but doubt) I can still see an escalating screaming match between the two.

Each one lying their betootsies off about the other.

Raffaelle looks like a weeper to me. Harry Potter crying his little eyes out as the Meanie goes to work on him.

Perhaps he'll sit the entire trial out in his cell! Can he do that? I was pretty astonished that he could take a raincheck on being arraigned the other day.

Yeah. Just phone it in, Raffaele...

Perhaps Sollecito on Friday can dress up like his favorite "Sailor Moon" character. (':lol:')

http://www.dressupwho.com/games/130/sailor-moon.html

Oh I love Anne of Green Gables! The production with Colleen Dewhurst is my favorite!

Well I for one cannot wait for Rudy Guede's trial. I've thought and thought for months about the how when where who and why and finally, finally we'll hopefully get some answers.

I have total faith that all three are guilty in Meredith's death and will be prosecuted. Total faith in the hard work of investigators and prosecution, that the three will be given a fair trial, and finally the Kercher family will see some type of justice and closure in the nightmare death of their sweet daughter.

Jools,
I'm wondering about his legs. I've always been partial to the *pirate wench* look...

I have never heard of Sailor Moon but if that's for kids, it must be the Anime version of Bratz.

Just read an Italiano bit, there are a couple of short new items today, on Sollecito, his lawyers, as far as I can understand from the babelfish translation, visited Sollecito, he being, apparently, keen now to go to court. To explain the hard stuff
He will be very helpful, I expect taking on the role of Mr Mother Teresa like he does in jail. Mr Kind, I'll give you a hand, nice guy.

I'm not sure but I thought the translation said something about him being thin but that can't be right.


There in court, the translation by Babelfish translates court to classroom, Sollecito and Knox will be in class together, hopefully they will remain behind in detention, forever.

DeathFish 2000 wrote:Being a football fan all my life and still football mad (I've been to 3 premier league games so far this season) I have never in my entire experience heard of a footballer with the nickname "Foxy".

You are right, Deathfish. Wrong critter entirely.

Court? Appearance?

Sollecito going as himself, which is as Lurch.

DF2K wrote:

Regarding the "lesbian" conversation, it is amazing how clear and vivid Knox is regarding this conversation.
She remembers where they where, what they were doing, what they in detail were talking about and even had a concept of time as she offers that during this conversation was when Meredith was probably murdered.
Not bad for someone so confused she couldn't remember where she was, what she did and what time it was that she couldn't remember anything.

I had the same thought. If I remember correctly, C Mellas said on Haloscan that it took Knox weeks to get back to normal after the torture session, so it is surprising that on Nov 7 it turns out she had recovered her memory of that night. In any case, it seems she has moved on from the interrogation in which she implicated Patrick.

This "lesbian" story has as far as I am concerned, been fabricated and inserted into the equation by her legal and PR team, as a device to counter her notorious sex mad maneating image.
This so called "lesbian" conversation is total fabrication, it never happened.

It may not really have happened, or it may have happened at a different time, but I don't think it is a pure invention by the PR or legal team, simply because the statement was written on Nov 7, before the PR team was hired.
But why is it being reported and why did both Knox's PR spokesman and her lawyer deny it was part of her defense strategy when nobody serious really said it was?
And why is the PR person suddenly Knox's PR spokesman? Up to now, her spokesmen have been her parents and Deanna.

Corrina wrote:Jools,
I'm wondering about his legs. I've always been partial to the *pirate wench* look...

I have never heard of Sailor Moon but if that's for kids, it must be the Anime version of Bratz.

Hi Corrina,

My daughter she is 20 now, was playing and watching Sailor Moon (girly dolls/cartoon) when she was about 6 maybe 7 years old at the time they were popular, Sollecito must have been 12, 13 years old.

About Sollecito It is probably true that they must have made fun of him something rotten. Ah children can be so cruel!!!

I will be very surprised if Coxy Knoxy takes the stand.
She is too much a liability to herself and all around her.
Her defence know this, they know she is seriously mentally ill - as do the police and all involved in this case.
This is why I think her mother should shoulder some of the reponsibilty in this crime, as she damn well knows her daughter is mad too - but she still unleashed her onto the public.
Without wanting to state the obvious, if Knox did take the stand she will go to prison for a long long time and take everyone with her.
She will only have to open her big mouth and it will be apparent to all that she hasn't got all her chairs at home.

DeathFish 2000 wrote:Sorry TM when I posted that you and Brian were convinced Sollecito inflicted the fatal wound, I was thinking of someone else.
I don't think anyone has noticed my post anyway.

I've just seen it now. I believe Meredith's murder was a twisted hate crime and Amanda Knox is seriously twisted and she hated Meredith. The forensic evidence lends considerable weight to the belief that Amanda inflicted the fatal wound. According to Meredith's friends, there were several points of friction between them. It's just another Knox lie that they were good friends. The final fatal wound was inflicted with such brutal force that whoever dealt it, did so with a furious hate and wanted Meredith dead. I don't think Raffaele and Rudy hated Meredith with such an intensity; they didn't know her well enough.

DeathFish 2000 wrote:This is why I think her mother should shoulder some of the responsibilty in this crime, as she damn well knows her daughter is mad too - but she still unleashed her onto the public.

I have always though this, only, lately, I have been wondering if the mom is a tad unhinged as well. Both with some level of NPD.

In the end, maybe we will all come down to blaming the Boy Toy. There's a reason for his excessive bluster.

He shoulda headed off what look like two loose canons.

TLC wrote:Just read an Italiano bit, there are a couple of short new items today, on Sollecito, his lawyers, as far as I can understand from the babelfish translation, visited Sollecito, he being, apparently, keen now to go to court. To explain the hard stuff
He will be very helpful, I expect taking on the role of Mr Mother Teresa like he does in jail. Mr Kind, I'll give you a hand, nice guy.

I'm not sure but I thought the translation said something about him being thin but that can't be right.


There in court, the translation by Babelfish translates court to classroom, Sollecito and Knox will be in class together, hopefully they will remain behind in detention, forever.

Hi TLC,
Excerpts from La Nazione:
... b] Sollecito lawyers have found the student from Puglia "very stressed and having lost much weight", but willing to sit in the courtroom and face judge Paolo Micheli.. [/b]

"... Raffaele 's is coping with this extreme ordeal (NDT: jail) but his resistence is truly to the limit . The boy, explained Buongiorno-finds himself in a situation to which he is unable to give a rational explanation...!

"...On Friday Raffaele wants to be present-says Maori- to look straight in the eyes of his accuser (Kokomani)... '

"...On the same Rudy's schoolteacher and a friend of his will also be heard. On Saturday morining, it will be the turn of an expert of the Scientific Police to be heard relatively to the DNA test identifying Raffaele traces on a fragment of the victim's bra..."

If I'm not wrong Bon Giorno one of Sollecito's lawyers is saying he is thin, it being a result of being in jail, I know someone will write what is being said here soon, but something about an emotional physicist saying he has become thin.

Dear o dear I can just imagine him being the better chess player, doing whatever it is, cleverly, to get off the easiest, even saying he is not ok in the head.

Whatever it is Knox could do, I think he would try to do it first if he only knows which move it is he needs to take.

If he knows he will not get off, I do exopect him to do whatever thing it is, available to him, to even then, still get off, in a roundabout way, not that it is a guarante to be locked in an institution for mental health and in Italy judges still partly decide when such a person gets out, still, I could imagine him, what with his doctor connections being a family thing, equating that he would be able to later fake that he is now better, and so, get out, long before the other two criminally incarcerated individuals, Guede and Knox.

I agree with whoever it was making the point that Sollecito kind of did not say one way or the other what is what, it's all a case of I can't say for sure, I don't remember properly.




yahoo babeltranslation;
the lawyers, that they speak about serious collo an emotional physicist and. L' Bongiorno lawyer has described the boy " a lot become thin and provato" and its conditions would be " to the limit of the compatibility with the regime carcerario". A scene that could also preludere to a demanded new of release for the young person, waiting for judgment of the magistrates

The lesbian/Sailor Moon story has hit the gay press.

http://www.gay.it/channel/attualita/252 ... sbica.html

Maybe that is the idea behind it...Get the gay community behind them

Oh I see Nicki thank you for that.

So not yet saying he is mentally ill?

Another gay link:

http://www.queerblog.it/post/4018/delit ... ta-lesbica

I love this comment at the end.
Ecco, ci mancava solo il contorno “gay” (quindi “morboso”…!) per completare il tutto.

The Machine,
Indeed.
I cannot help thinking of Knox's comment regarding Meredith coming home and studying everynight, "like a good little girl" or words to that effect.
There is something malicious in that statement.
There is jealousy, envy, spite and malice all rolled into one in that statement.

Considering Knox's enormous sociopathic tendency manifesting itself only when females are present - and the fact that Meredith was more prettier, nicer, more popular and studious, one can see there was a real recipe for disaster brewing in the seething mind of Amanda Knox.
The initial and sketchy reports from when this case first broke suggested a man had struck the fatal blow, to me seemed a bit premature as I would imagine inflicting a wound on someone with a razor sharp kitchen knife would be easy for an average woman to do.
Having said this I also counter this "man" theory with the fact that Knox was a very fit rock climbing individual with good upper body strength and as required for rock climbing - strong hands.
One can see the build on her shoulders and upper arms on the crime scene photos in which she is wearing the blue sweater so I think that puts the "man" theory to bed.

Jools wrote:

Maybe that is the idea behind it...Get the gay community behind them.

I found the choice of photos for this item very interesting. Two of Raffaele -- perhaps the readership is more masculine than feminine -- one in which his earring is visible and the other in which the izod lizard logo on his shirt is visible. As for the photo of Knox, it may just be the context, but I'm seeing it differently all of a sudden.

TLC wrote:If he knows he will not get off, I do expect him to do whatever thing it is, available to him, to even then, still get off, in a roundabout way, not that it is a guarantee to be locked in an institution for mental health...

In his case, there's an actual history of some kind of mental treatment?

Personally I think Knox has the better shot at a fruitcake defense, but she's too far gone to see it and to set herself up for it.

Team AK hasnt helped any.

I'm afraid if he is thin as a result of stress from being locked up, well, what can one say, people turn white haired overnight from being in jail, others have heart attacks, others get beat up, or victimized, but, that's jail and if you really have hurt someone then, you ought really to be the last one to cry.

If Sollecito was and had been, telling the truth, then he should have and I think, would have been, certain, instead of acting like an idiot one minute and the clever dick later when it suited him and suits him, like in jail, acting like the helpful teacher of the lowly of life who are uneducated or whatever.

Of course people do things like be active in whatever way they can in jail.

In Britain it is an obligation to either be on education or in employment.

Meaning, working in the area where new prisoners get checked in or let out, making tea, assisting near or in the medical facility, cleaning parcels of poo trhat prsioners wrap in newspaper and throw out of the cell windows through not having a WC in the cell.

I don't know how it is in Italy, in Perugia but it seems they might have WC's in the cells. But, I'm not sure about that one.

Therefore rather than be a toilet cleaner, of course Sollecito will be helpful, as a way of getting out of the cell, and gaining some privileges, because, that is the way it works.

In Britain those serving up the food have their cells open all the time, have stashes of food that nobody else has (the prison guards called screws by the cons turen a blind eye), and those with any kind of position use it as a way of bartering and getting sometrhing else they also treat their pals in preferential ways by swerving them up two eggs instead of the permitted one, giving them some milk for tobacco, nobody else has any milk and things like that at all).

In prison people are capable of smashing one another's brains in over a mars bar.

It is not like life in the real world.

This is why some genuinely do start reading the bible or genuinely do at times reform and become someone they never would have become, having often never had the opportunity to do things, like paint or study, some become artists, discover tha they are able to do cdeertain things but never had the chance before, some become lawyers or complete several degree courses.

In Sollecito's case, he was a child, a boy, a man who had every opportunity in life but squandered it.

But, though money walks talks, still it never does buy true happiness, and in his particular case and ion his path, he became very unhappy. I can understand how that could be very painful, very painful indeed to see that your own mother lost the plot and committed suidiide, That is a very sad thing.

But, it still does not merit killing someone else because of youir deep state of depression.

Sollecito was flint and Knox was the stone, snd together they became a spark of ill-will.

Feeding on negativity and all of the wrong things, I think so.

Skep,

Maybe AK should forget the sporty look for Friday and go for the KD Lang one instead.

definitely D Pesceria

Knox is in no way feeble little girl, she is a woman, of legal age, not a child, and has shoulders wider than the police women who brought her into court, she looked fed and fed up and they looked underfed by comparison.
All I know is that she definitely has not got a job in the kitchens, with all of the knives.

Fast Pete wrote:

Fly by Night wrote: FBN, do you happen to know if the cell phone was pinged (one tower) or was it triangulated (three towers)? If just pinged, it could have been anywhere in a pretty wide area.

Reports have her hitting one tower in particular - the one located at via S.Antonio, directly inbetween Le Chic and Corso Garibaldi. Just before Knox was formally arrested, Perugia's police chief Arturo De Felice told reporters that he believed 3 people were present at the murder scene and that all had played a different role in the murder. Felice went on to say that the suspects mobile phone records were vital to his investigation, saying: "If I told you I was in Rome, but the record showed I was in Paris, then you might begin to ask questions." The phone record apparently reveals that when Knox was texting with Patrick she was in Corso Garibaldi - which, by the way, is where the witness known as Jovanovic also reports having run into Amanda on the evening of the crime - in Corso Garibaldi at 20:40. Knox cannot say in court that she was with Raffaele at his place for the entire evening and be believed!!!

Jools wrote:Skep,

Maybe AK should forget the sporty look for Friday and go for the KD Lang one instead.

She could sing Kylie Minogue songs too!

TLC wrote:Oh I see Nicki thank you for that.

So not yet saying he is mentally ill?

Not yet... I have noticed though that Sollecito refers to Kokomani when saying he wants to looks in the eyes etc etc, Guede is not mentioned . Also, according to the Nazione, the Scientific Police expert is going to testify about the bra DNA but they do not mention the knife DNA.Am I missing something?

Pete;

There is, it seems, a history of some mental ill health with Sollecito, though it may be depression alone that it concerns.

Your mother committing suicide could make a child of that person very bitter and depressed and unsure, I think.

DeathFish 2000 wrote:Having said this I also counter this "man" theory with the fact that Knox was a very fit rock climbing individual with good upper body strength and as required for rock climbing - strong hands.
One can see the build on her shoulders and upper arms on the crime scene photos in which she is wearing the blue sweater so I think that puts the "man" theory to bed.

I agree. In the video of her being escorted into the courtroom last week, I thought she walked like a linebacker for the Seahawks! (Seems she inherited those darting and shifty eyes from her father)

TLC,
I meant to note earlier that I agree with your statement about Patrick and the whole issue of being paid for his interviews. I have yet to come across a reliable source indicating that he was paid. In any case, I don't think it really matters. What matters is: Was he truthful? Did the newspapers get it right? Meredith's boyfriend also supposedly got paid for one of his interviews, the one in which he talked candidly about the relationship between the two girls. Was he truthful? Did he say things that are true and that can be corroborated elsewhere? These are the things that matter.

All this so called chat between Raffaele and Amanda may have been leaked by the Amanda defense team in some kind of a controlled way. If Amanda really wrote these things I imagine it was going to come out in the trials anyway. Maybe this way the lawyers can get out in front and try to say it’s not an issue and do some damage control. But this story can be spun so many different ways.
If nothing else, I imagine Raffaele & Amanda’s fan mail will increase.
SB: I noticed the same thing about those photo’s.

But the real life truth of these people, under the parade,

your mother commits suicide, that is earth shatteringly awful for you, but then your dad is off with some blonde dolly driving about in his sports car,
joyously having it all.

How do you feel then, about respect for mother?

Do you like dad's new woman?

What is she like?

Same with Knox, dad is away and though he may have and does, love his daughter, when you split up, it is not always easy on kids, dad has then a new family, wife and two kids, and those two kids, your half sisters or brothers, get to see what is your dad too - and was your dad, before he was their dad - everyday.

Do you feel jealous?

Is it abnormal for such a child to have felt jealousy?

Even though on the surface coping seems then to be not such a problem, how does it feel in your heart? when you can't help being confronted, as a child, with the fact that your dad is not the one picking you up from school every day because he is away picking his other kids up where he is doing his real living, the day to day stuff.

It is very hard indeed and I know it is because I've been in those kinds of situations and I've never liked it at all.

I have always been wondering what is under the surface, there's obviously more to it, money cannot buy love and attention.

Even when dad does his best when you get to go and stay a weekend, no matter how kind everyone is, you can't help feeling like being second fiddle and that is a very dangerous way to be feeling, not for the reason that it will lead everyone to become cold-blooded murderers but that it will affect all of your relationships and make you vulnerable to rejection syndromes and complexes.

In Knox's case if it is so, then it would mean, could mean, she claims people for herself and, everything has to revolve around her, and in that, she finds herself having to control situations, in order not to let too much in, and to not feel her pain.

When that security is endangered, threatened, then the coping mechanism sets in that may lead to uncontrollable behaviour, in panic.

And it seems to me to be something like what is happening to Amanda Knox, in this her family have absolutely no insight because for them to imagine they have failed to give her what she needed would mean a complete breakdown on a personal level.

So they can leave no space for her to move, she must remain, the achiever, the star. The one who everything is okay with.

But, it is not okay with her at all.

TLC,
I meant to note earlier that I agree with your statement about Patrick and the whole issue of being paid for his interviews. I have yet to come across a reliable source indicating that he was paid. In any case, I don't think it really matters. What matters is: Was he truthful? Did the newspapers get it right? Meredith's boyfriend also supposedly got paid for one of his interviews, the one in which he talked candidly about the relationship between the two girls. Was he truthful? Did he say things that are true and that can be corroborated elsewhere? These are the things that matter.


Yes of course Skep, I know what you mean

it is though vital to be clear, especially as it is disgusting that which overcame Patrick, it is part of the murder, what overcame Meredith, was unbelievable but also what overcame Patrick was too pretty astonishing.

I understand what you mean about the validity of things said, anyway, I don't absorb stuff written in the Mail, I skim across such scribblings, but, if what they said has been changed put into a different light or falsified, I do not believe they were able to do that, like be allowed by either the boyfriend of Patrick to do that just because they were paid.

It was you know who, the know-it-all, that spread the money rumours, no way do I believe that Giacomo would say things just to get money.

The only thing I found contradictory in so-called statements though, apparently from him, is that he and Meredith had some kind of loose relationship, inasfar as, had Meredith gone off with anyone else, then he would not have felt jealous. (according to that interview that's what Giacomo stated)
But until I see it in a police report or live or reproduced from a court session I pretty much don't believe too much, because newspapers do have their own pockets at heart, even the Times, and saying even the Times does not mean what it used to mean, seeing as the Times is in no way what it once was, they also invest, at times, in flimsy reporting.

Then, in the other source it said he had gone off, was about to go off, to his family, as most Italians do for that holiday, and he was afraid of leaving Meredith, or rather not afraid but did not know if it was nice to be going off and leaving her, she in turn, supposedly said, "It is okay, I will wait for you."

So though he may, if the first statement is or was true, have been a lossefooter in his relationship towards and with Meredith, Meredith was not, she reflects, if that accorded to her is true at least, that she expressed affection, and seriousness, "I will wait for you."

Meaning, I will not be going off with someone else while you are away for two days.

Rendering Guede's lines untrue, yet again.

Can any of what the three say be taken as truthful statement? all three have lied.

It is a fine comb needs pulling through the deceit and those sitting will not let it be combed out easily, they need to be forced by confrontation with fact.

Friends of Meredith are going to be part of that fact giving process.

If you get my drift???

Surely these people will be called as character witnesses somewhere along the line?

Surely the combination of a number of people close to Meredith will be able to shed light on what really was the score and not all of the speculation, endless speculation about all of the unknown things leading the whole lot of this?

I think so, it is not without reason that the female judge said these friends were important.

Yes, most certainly, whyever in the world would a person, friend of Meredith be dishonest? I know they most certainly will be 100% truthful.

They only want, these friends, to see the correct people punished, not some innocent person(s) (people), these friends are going to tell it like it was. Justice for Meredith is not the punishment of innocent people.
Innocent people being tried and conviceted would mean injustice for Meredith.
No-one, family or friend, is going to accept such a thing so those haters trying to deceive by whatever warped means they can, ought to zip it up.

If these people are in a mess, unlike what Sollecito said it is not Knox's fault it is all three of them, their own faults.

Fly by Night wrote:Reports have her hitting one tower in particular - the one located at via S.Antonio, directly inbetween Le Chic and Corso Garibaldi.... The phone record apparently reveals that when Knox was texting with Patrick she was in Corso Garibaldi - which, by the way, is where the witness known as Jovanovic also reports having run into Amanda on the evening of the crime - in Corso Garibaldi at 20:40.

Very interesting. Thank you. So we dont yet have this all out in the open. No surprises there. This alone is almost enough to screw them.

Looks like Knox may have been triangulated. If they know the text originated from Garibaldi but not from Raffaele's place IN Garibaldi then she was triangulated at that moment.

When was the ping then? And when were the cell phones turned off together, if they were? She went back to Raffaele's to turn her phone off?

About Antonio, I'm not seeing cell towers or assemblies in my shots around there and I took a lot. Could it have been higher up the hill? It would need to be higher up the hill (or near the SFF) to be in a line from Garibaldi to Chic.

Yes nicki, just revealing that, in that way, saying that he wishes to look Koko in the mince pies is yet another media scam, if you ask moi, why else say it, just do it if you sre sincere, he wants people to think, he is innocent so he wants to go and look him in his eyes.

Yeah yeah yeah here we go again.

Weak.

It is pre-positioning that they are up to Nicki, they are trying to divert from facts.

Confuse people, but no way are they about to confude the career judges in court with such transparently fakey nonsense.

It's just that he cannot move he is in a corner and he is putting a foot anywhere he can.

Bon Giorno may have a name but she only had the same access to what is available in Italy, her qualifications are no better than anyone elses and actually using someone like her, may backfire, because those having to deal with her, will work that much harder, knowing she has that reputation.

Well, great, she defended some of the most awful people and even if they got off what does it imply, yeah she is a lawyer but, a great defender of the wicked.

Though I know it is not seen this way in the legal world, well I am noit the legal world and it is the way I see it and the way ordinary people see such things.
Great, she got a mafia killer off the hook, she got a corrupt politician off the hook.

I hope this case takes her down a notch.

TLC wrote:Even when dad does his best when you get to go and stay a weekend, no matter how kind everyone is, you can't help feeling like being second fiddle and that is a very dangerous way to be feeling, not for the reason that it will lead everyone to become cold-blooded murderers but that it will affect all of your relationships and make you vulnerable to rejection syndromes and complexes.

In Knox's case if it is so, then it would mean, could mean, she claims people for herself and, everything has to revolve around her, and in that, she finds herself having to control situations, in order not to let too much in, and to not feel her pain.

This is interesting conjecture, TLC. She is semi-fatherless from before she could walk, making her unusually close to her mother. And then, just before her teens, she becomes semi-motherless as well, when the Boy Toy rides into town.

Hmmm. She'd have done better growing up in an orphanage.

TLC wrote:...he wants people to think, he is innocent so he wants to go and look him in his eyes.

Raffaele, you owl, Koko is sure to be petrified of you...

Just dont let him land a paw on you. That or take your glasses off.

Tel,
He wants to look Kokomani in the eye?!
Jeez, that's rich coming from someone like him.
The arrogance!
Who the F*** does he think he is?
He's a punk on remand in prison for the sex murder of a girl and has done nothing but utter lies in his attempt to squirm out of his predicament.
I don't believe it but nothing ceases to amaze me when it comes to the arrogance of Knox and her boyfriend.

Raffaele's list of possible hit and run victims seems to be growing. First it was the policewoman/investigator, and now Koko. Someone earlier pointed out how strange he doesn't want to stare Rudy Guede down.

Like Rudy does not exist. Just a ghost who invents "strange things" and who should be at the top of his list! Why does he not address this?

I want to know if Amanda and Rudy looked at each other last week. You know, between dance moves, if she stole glances and likewise.

Pete and D Pesceria




Strange watching a programme right now on anger BBC with the comedian Rhyce Jones, he is offten angry apparently.

It said, it is abnorma lbehaviour to have people being do goody goody nice and helpful all the time

Just what I was trying to express.

They said it shows someone trying to hide or deny their own anger.

Also they said, if you do not learn to take it that people dislike you (they said HATE you) then it can lead to awful things later on. They spoke about how your parents dislike you as a child when you displease them.
They showed how gorillas must to express their natural anger but that natural anger is not uncontrolled temper and rage.
The gorilla makes certain signs to show slight anger, like tightening of lips, and coughing sort of sounds and how it may progress if a situation leads to it to where the gorilla does the drumming oin it's chest and that is then far further along the scale of anger and it is pretty much getting to the point where the anger may take over and then the gorilla too is not in control anymore.
There is a difference to the anger that is natural for a primate and humans to have to the anger that is uncontrolled rage. It seems that bit played a role in Meredith's death.
People behave differently in a group too, when doing angry things they may become the mob, riot might be the effect and consequence, those exposed to it may suffer and be affected by that.

Obviously because then, like as it seems to be with Knox when someone does not like you or criticises you your whole world caves in and I truly think this was what was going on with Amanda Knox.

She experienced criticism as absolute attack, when it was not.
It is the way people deal with getting on with each other, if Amanda Knox had been receptive and adjusted her set, normal transmission would have been resumed.

See, this Sollecito D Fish, that is what he is laying on, the always nice guy just shows/accentuates, how angry he really is on the non-superficial level.
The bit he is attemptingrto hide under the veil of niceness and helpful.

Yes Pete,

there is something underlying the Knox story, something like her parents having done too much their best have taught her to be unable to acdept criticism.

She is always good.

She can never be wrong.

To compensate for their failings they've laid that role on her.

The second husband, well, I'll leave that for someone else, not worth wasting space on, except hat he is a forcer, he tries too hard to be the dad that he is not.

If my step-mum was 12 years older than me, then what kind of interaction does that lead to, I might be attracted to her and do the dirty on dad.

No good.
I know that's nonsense but him ranting on about his daughter this his daughter that shows me he does noit understand a few fundamental things about paedogogy, Amanda Knox

1/ has a dad
2/ it is not him, he should
3/ overdo it.
He is step-dad, nothing more and
4/ not old enough to be her biological father.

Jumpy wrote:Raffaele's list of possible hit and run victims seems to be growing. I want to know if Amanda and Rudy looked at each other last week. You know, between dance moves, if she stole glances and likewise.

Good luck on that one. I'm still waiting to hear what happened to the snake in the bunch of flowers. Maybe it bit Knox and died. RIP snake.

Right D' Pesceria

Yes anger, being angry, is a thing most people do not wish to admit to being.

This lot, absolutely not on the one hand, for example Mr Teresa Sollecito Nightingale in prison, oh so helpfully being nice to all, then wanting to express his anger, on Koko, but it is not really about that, it is prepositional posturing that he is up to.

I looked at photos of Sollecito and noticed in the ones after arrest nowhere does he allow eye contact, but in one where he is looking directly into the camera, it gave me the creeps.

I must admit I can't help getting the creeps that way from all three of these people, and, I cannot really remember ever getting the creeps from looking in a woman's eyes, not the way that Knox creeps me out, I find many of the gleams coming off her, scary. There definitely is the look of an ice cream sundae in her mince pies.

Jools wrote:

Maybe AK should forget the sporty look for Friday and go for the KD Lang one instead.

The KD Lang look would work with the Free Amanda Knox t-shirt. According to PI staff blog writer Monica Guzman, a woman in Italy is selling the same series of t-shirts, mugs, teddy bears and other merchandise being marketed via cafepress.com. She declined to give her name, stating that she did not want to upset other Knox supporters.
Actually, it could just be that neither she nor they have properly acquired the right to reproduce the photo used on these items. It was taken by a local photographer in Perugia. I wonder if he knows his photo is being used in this way.

http://tinyurl.com/4n2zrv

As this coming Friday's appearance by all three accused draws near, I find the Italian reports on Sollecito intriguing. Is he losing his mind (along with the weight?)

I think he'll be the one to watch in court...

A portion of the google translation of the article below:

The conditions of Raffaele urge, for the first time since in prison, but lawyers worry that talk of a serious neck physical and emotional. Bongiorno's lawyer described the boy "very slim and tested" and its conditions would be "the limit of compatibility with the prison regime". One scenario that could also draw a new request for release for the young, awaiting trial judges.

What's that last part mean? Thanks!

http://tinyurl.com/4onc55

Basically I think Tara what it implies is that he being unrightfully incarcerated is going nanas and ought to be released instead of having his condition exacerbated by having to wait nervously for the trial judges.

He is banana split.
I really can see him, if there are no other possible options left, going for the I am insane bit, only when he knows the end of the road is nigh.

skeptical bystander wrote:The KD Lang look would work with the Free Amanda Knox t-shirt. According to PI staff blog writer Monica Guzman, a woman in Italy is selling the same series of t-shirts, mugs, teddy bears and other merchandise being marketed via cafepress.com. She declined to give her name, stating that she did not want to upset other Knox supporters.
Actually, it could just be that neither she nor they have properly acquired the right to reproduce the photo used on these items. It was taken by a local photographer in Perugia. I wonder if he knows his photo is being used in this way.

http://tinyurl.com/4n2zrv

Can we find out who took the picture?
Can we let him/her know ?

[quote="skeptical bystander"]Jools wrote:

[quote]According to PI staff blog writer Monica Guzman, a woman in Italy is selling the same series of t-shirts, mugs, teddy bears and other merchandise being marketed via cafepress.com. She declined to give her name, stating that she did not want to upset other Knox supporters./quote]

I wonder if Frank has a girlfriend with some serious marketing skills?

Thanks TLC. I see what you're saying. It's too bad that Sollecito didn't receive the high marks that Knox did at the Daisyhill Acting Acadamy. He won't be able to groove to the music, and project the defiant image of innocence. He'll probably snap right on the spot!

Here's what I have come up with as a translation:

Next Friday, September 26, Raffaele Sollecito, a suspect in the homicide of Meredith Kercher, will attend the hearing at the Perugia courthouse, the second to be held before Trial Judge Paolo Micheli. While Amanda Knox and Rudy Guede--the other two suspects in the homicide of the English student on the night of Nov 1-2--were at the first hearing, Sollecito skipped the hearing, because he wanted to avoid the intensity of the media. Confirmation that he will be in court Friday comes directly from his team of lawyers (Maori, Brusco and Bongiorno), who today paid a visit to the young IT expert at the prison in Terni. Ms. Bongiorno noted that Raffaele wanted to be present Friday, although he is in a situation that he is unable to explain rationally. This means that he will once again see Amanda: during the period of incarceration, the two former lovers have exchanged two letters and a bouquet of flowers. For the first time since he was incarcerated, his lawyers are worried about his condition. They mention a serious physical and emotional blow. Bongiorno said that he was much thinner and extenuated, and that his condition is nearly incompatible with prison (does she mean he is so weak that being in prison is endangering his health?). This scenario could even be the prelude to another request for house arrest status for the young man, while awaiting the judge's decision.

Skep,

Thanks so much for that translation. I got that feeling too - that he was physically weak and not doing well. But if he's innocent, as Papa and his attorneys proclaim, you'd think he'd be looking forward to these hearings, and be "calm and serene"!

Thanks Skep for the translation.

My translation? Cry me a river Lover Boy. His Daddy and lawyers KNOW he is never gonna see the light of day. They want him in some house arrest so they can smuggle him out of the country. They are that smug and crafty!

I agree Tara,

but, I find Mr Sollecito just as contrived a personality as any other person involved.

I do pray he does break down because it will only need one of them to come out with a shred of truth for the ball to start rolling.

I believe he avoided the confrontation last time because he could but knows he cannot do that now but that the pretense of one another, Knox and Sollecito in a confined space is going to be very presuurized.
All three of them avoiding looking at each other?

As the court case really does get underway with examinations going on, I wonder how things will go then.

They do have special own hospital wards for prisoners, right there in prison Skep.

But if need be, prisoners get to go to hospital, but it is the same as being in prison, they are not left there to do what they like, they are in prison, not free like civilians.

They are guarded all the time,
and they do not get all the visiting as if they are just in hospital, they get visits, just like in prison.

And they only get to go to a hospital if they really do have to, like for an operation.

He'll be off the weed and on the meds a plenty if you ask me.

That's why his face fattened in no time, making him look like his aunty rather than himself as he was known, skinny, and not well taken care off, from smoking dope all day and being alone.

Amanda changed that fora bit, but, they spiralled into a cocoon of their dual negativity.

If I had been Knox's teacher and really had told her that her essay was under the mark for not being realistically brutal enough, and then I heard that my dear pupil had gotten into so much trouble and this fact had been mentioned, that I had told her that her work was not bad enough, then I would take steps to make it known that it is true that I did say that.

So court or no court, that teacher must be very unkind to not step up and offer to help his former pupil out.

TLC,

And if that teacher in fact DID say that, perhaps he or she should be examined by a psychiatrist, and get a lawyer as well. Who knows how many other students were told the same thing?

Yeah but where to Jumpy, Afghanistan or Sicily?

Knox would have more chance with just avoiding extradition, at least I think that is what her family may believe.

If they did get her back to the states then they'd get Topo Tacopino helping, I'm sure, they'd do every interview and television programme possible to pay for it and it would not be a surprise if Tacopino did a voluntary scam for them, just because he is yet another Mr Know-it-all, ego tripping nutter.

I hope he is entirely proud of himself for getting Natalie Holloway's killer off.

another great guy old Taco
Natalie's killer was secretly filmed by a Dutch crime investigation team explaining how he had dumped Natalie's body out at sea.
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But Taco got the guy off, Natalie's killer (is Dutch) (she was 'RIP' American) was similar to Sollecito, the son of a judge on Aruba.

Nice work upholders of justice.

Women killers, get them off the hook, people who rob the folk/population blind, get them off, mafia dons, get them off and then smugly be proud of your grand achievements.

Lovely

Right Tara, because I find Knox's story twisted enough as it was,

even Polanski didn't do that much better.

But the out of placed-ness of it, on My Space would you ever, that's what makes it stranger than strange, I know My Space, everyone does, who the hell posts crap like that? a young girl posting that on mY Space I've never seen anything similar to it.

Sollecito saying if it is anyone's fault it is hers always made me think yeah because Knox had some weird ideas/fantasies and she maybe, got Sollecito to take part in living them out.

So yes, the teacher must be some kind of f-er too, teacher means nothing, there are a lot of bad ones around.
I'd love to go back and get my own back on them for some of the awful things they did to me.

I was quite glad to read how my old school had been demolished, but burnt in fires a few times before, there must have been a ot of people who felt like I did.

I don't know that Amanda's luxurious Jesuit schiool was al that either.

And what is Washington by the way with pseudo decor, to try to give it substance, anyway the reaction, though maybe proper, from them, also seems to be twisted, like in the way of nationalistic, that nobody says a thing, seems like that place is also unhealthy.

A couple of students were writing a blog, they were from that university, their articles were pitifully lacking in content and detail and fact, if they are students of journalism then I understand why the degree of competence in journalism is so deplorably low in some areas in the States.

There is no monitoring of behaviour in official institutions?

When a university agrees to say nothing at all, then the silence is deafening.

Fast Pete wrote:

Fly by Night wrote:Reports have her hitting one tower in particular - the one located at via S.Antonio, directly inbetween Le Chic and Corso Garibaldi.... The phone record apparently reveals that when Knox was texting with Patrick she was in Corso Garibaldi - which, by the way, is where the witness known as Jovanovic also reports having run into Amanda on the evening of the crime - in Corso Garibaldi at 20:40.

Very interesting. Thank you. So we dont yet have this all out in the open. No surprises there. This alone is almost enough to screw them.

Looks like Knox may have been triangulated. If they know the text originated from Garibaldi but not from Raffaele's place IN Garibaldi then she was triangulated at that moment.

When was the ping then? And when were the cell phones turned off together, if they were? She went back to Raffaele's to turn her phone off?

About Antonio, I'm not seeing cell towers or assemblies in my shots around there and I took a lot. Could it have been higher up the hill? It would need to be higher up the hill (or near the SFF) to be in a line from Garibaldi to Chic.

Not sure, but here's what Patrick's lawyer had to say about the situation in an interview with Frank (PS) last March:
A technical explanation of his sim hooking the cell of via S.Antonio is kindly provided to me by his lawyer. Patrick and Amanda exchanged their sms while he was at the bar and she in Corso Garibaldi. In the middle there's via S.Antonio, and that's why it appeared that Patrick's cellphone was in via S.Antonio instead of the bar.

FBN wrote:

Not sure, but here's what Patrick's lawyer had to say about the situation in an interview with Frank (PS) last March:
A technical explanation of his sim hooking the cell of via S.Antonio is kindly provided to me by his lawyer. Patrick and Amanda exchanged their sms while he was at the bar and she in Corso Garibaldi.

I'm not sure we can infer that "in" Corso Garibaldi means actually in the street. It could be a language problem. But I have seen some supporters of AK put forth the idea that perhaps the cell phones only appeared to be off because there was no cell coverage inside Raffaele's apartment.
However, this is easily verified and certainly has been.
If there was no coverage, AK was either hanging out the window or out in the street when the text messages were exchanged.
But we know she was seen in the street at about that time.
Was she going somewhere? Talking on her cell? Presumably the witness who saw her has been asked these questions as well.

Fly by Night wrote:...here's what Patrick's lawyer had to say about the situation in an interview with Frank (PS) last March:

A technical explanation of his sim hooking the cell of via S.Antonio is kindly provided to me by his lawyer. Patrick and Amanda exchanged their sms while he was at the bar and she in Corso Garibaldi. In the middle there's via S.Antonio, and that's why it appeared that Patrick's cellphone was in via S.Antonio instead of the bar.

Thanks again FBN. So Patrick's phone seemingly wasn't triangulated either. Or maybe they had not got around to checking whether it was. Seems such a key bit of evidence, though, that this task should not have been sat upon.

Nobody here thinks that Knox sent her text from inside Sollecito's place, I presume? And yet the quote there does not rule it out.

Seems right now we have been told more about the 1-tower pings than we have about the 3-tower triangulations....

skeptical bystander wrote:If there was no coverage, AK was either hanging out the window or out in the street when the text messages were exchanged.

But we know she was seen in the street at about that time. Was she going somewhere? Talking on her cell? Presumably the witness who saw her has been asked these questions as well.

Skep, just wondering. Could she have been headed down Garibaldi for the night shift at Chic, got the text from Patrick, headed right back up and into Sollecito's, and then the two of them were together from then on, as Brian suspects?

Fast Pete:

Skep, just wondering. Could she have been headed down Garibaldi for the night shift at Chic, got the text from Patrick, headed right back up and into Sollecito's, and then the two of them were together from then on, as Brian suspects?

I must look for it, but somewhere it is stated that she and RS went from the cottage back to the apartment, where they proceeded to watch Amélie. In this scenario, the message from Patrick was received as the movie was finishing up. Something like that. Anyone know offhand?